Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the campaign trail, or something very much like it (Photo: Justin Trudeau/Flickr).

There must have been a moment of pure delight in the Prime Minister’s Office in Ottawa when the story broke about Dr. Sally Talbot-Jones’s plan to get her patients to pay thousands of dollars a year to become “members” of her Calgary medical practice. 

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith (Alberta Newsroom/Flickr).

Whatever the far-right trolls and bots who live under the bridge previously known as Twitter may think, Justin Trudeau was not unhappy when Danielle Smith and her United Conservative Party won their majority in the Alberta Legislature on May 29. 

He and the federal Liberal Party’s strategists understood that a Conservative politician like Ms. Smith in Alberta could be his greatest asset if he is to successfully fight off the challenge from the Conservative Party of Canada now led by Pierre Poilievre. 

If Mr. Poilievre could be made to wear Ms. Smith’s persistent climate change denial, extreme market fundamentalism, COVID skepticism, inclination toward Alberta separatism, and economy with the truth, that could help Mr. Trudeau hold onto the ridings in Metro Toronto, Vancouver and Quebec that he will need to stop the Conservatives. 

The public outrage and wall-to-wall media coverage prompted by Dr. Talbot-Jones’s plans to charge patients for timely access to her medical services opens another line of attack against Mr. Poilievre.

And, count on it, just as Ms. Smith used Justin Trudeau to attack Alberta NDP Leader Rachel Notley during the Alberta election campaign, Mr. Trudeau is going to use Ms. Smith to go after Pierre Poilievre. 

The recently made-over Pierre Poilievre on his own campaign quest (Photo: Facebook/Pierre Poilievre).

This was already in the cards. As University of Calgary political scientist Lisa Young said in the latest edition of her always entertaining Substack, if Mr. Trudeau had chosen to try to placate Alberta, he would have used yesterday’s cabinet shuffle to move Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault to somewhere less annoying to Ms. Smith’s government. 

By leaving Mr. Guilbeault where he is, Dr. Young wrote, Mr. Trudeau has given us a sign “he’s gambling that having a huge fight with Alberta and Saskatchewan over climate policy will help him hold seats in Quebec and big cities elsewhere in the country.”

That’s probably a good bet. 

And why not? Mr. Trudeau gets nothing from Alberta, no matter what he puts into the place. As Dr. Young put it, “Trudeau bought us a pipeline, and we sent him the Freedom Convoy.” 

The Marda Loop Medical Clinic brouhaha has the potential to open a new front in that war – and Ms. Smith’s persistent view over many years that Canadians should have to pay out pocket for health care and the suspicion she and people in her office won’t be unhappy if something like Dr. Talbot-Jones’s “transformative healthcare initiative” became common practice in Alberta many come to haunt Mr. Poilievre.

University of Calgary political scientist Lisa Young (Photo: David J. Climenhaga).

This may or may not explain why Health Canada was so quick to state that “membership fees at private clinics, for preferential access to insured health services, are considered patient charges under the Canada Health Act and raise concerns under the accessibility requirement of the Act.”

In the case of the Marda Loop Medical Clinic the federal health department said, it “has written to Alberta officials to inform them that the ability for patients to purchase preferential access is contrary to the Canada Health Act.” 

This in effect boxes Alberta if it planned to just let the matter slide. 

Whether or not that was Health Canada’s intent, something like it is bound to figure in Mr. Trudeau’s strategy.

Some of the aforementioned UCP trolls asked why Health Canada has ignored the membership-fee practice in the past when clinics are known to have operated this way in Alberta for several years under both Progressive Conservative and NDP governments as well as the UCP.  

Alberta NDP Opposition Leader Rachel Notley (Photo: David J. Climenhaga).

This is a good question, in fact, even when phrased tendentiously. 

And it has the potential to be embarrassing to Alberta’s NDP Opposition when they put out news releases, as they did yesterday, complaining that “the UCP’s new investigation into a Calgary clinic charging a steep fee for members-only medicine is ignoring more than a dozen other clinics in Alberta advertising similar offerings.”

I mean, it is fair to ask why some of those clinics were allowed to operate by the NDP when it was in power between 2015 and 2019. 

Did the NDP Government not know about them, or was it advised to ignore them by senior civil servants in Alberta Health, as the provincial health department is known?

What should be obvious, though, is that the issue wasn’t ignored in the past because Mr. Trudeau wanted to help Ms. Notley win the election last May. In fact, an NDP victory would have caused more problems for the Trudeau Government than Ms. Smith’s UCP could – especially if the Liberals hope to steal some seats from the ineptly led federal New Democrats. 

‘Her Porsche Passion’?

Dr. Sally Talbot-Jones in her Porsche 911 (Photo: Screenshot of Porsche Centre Calgary video).

As for Dr. Talbot-Jones, she has described her plans in media interviews as an altruistic effort in the face of Alberta government billing caps to help her patients while keeping her business afloat. 

This may be true, but she is unlikely to succeed at appearing empathetic with a video now circulating on social media showing her singing the praises of her German-built, high-performance, rear-engine Porsche 911 sports car.

Like her email to Marda Loop clinic patients, the dealer advertisement may have seemed like a good idea at the time. But now? Maybe not so much. 

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  1. And this is the reason why PMJT has little to worry about. All he has to do is fold his arms, say nothing, and let Danielle Smith kill everyone in Alberta.

    Skippy Pollivere can rage farm on Twitter (X … or whatever) all he wants about the evil CBC, crypto currencies, FreeDUMB, and how loved he is now that he wears contact lens, the reality is that Trudeau is keeping a score of all the stupid and will use it against him in a year’s time. By then Alberta will be as expensive as everywhere else to live and the UCP will do nothing because … reasons … and everyone’s relative in Alberta will have told about what a shite show Danielle Smith is running in Alberta.

    Good times and mo’ popcorn.

  2. The issue of concern has to be these phony conservatives and Reformers who are robbing us of our oil and tax wealth, doing the priciest shenanigans, gutting our public healthcare and our public education, so that privatization can happen, destroying jobs, increasing utilities and insurance costs, increasing poverty, and destroying the environment. Those who are enabling them to get away with it are as foolish as you can get. We didn’t see this level of stupidity under Peter Lougheed.

  3. The UCP really are not good at the “big picture” game. The Liberals are playing them like a fiddle!

  4. As an Albertan I’m getting a sacrificial pawn vibe about all this. It is comforting to know that in some ways being Canadian will in fact save us from being treated as Albertans by Alberta.
    And for the love of ducks!!! how does ‘lil pp still look cross-eyed in profile???

    1. “how does ‘lil pp still look cross-eyed in profile???”
      Ye gods Mr. Peepers, put those goggles back on lest you frighten the horses.

  5. What would be really good is if no one signs up for membership. Although we need to keep in mind this is stupid Calgary where they could have voted out the UCP but didn’t. The other thing is finding a family doctor right now is difficult so the fear of not having a doctor is a real concern everywhere. It is rather weird that doctors and dentists are branching out to other things like Botox, skin treatments and other things. Gone are the days when you just went to the dentist for dental work or doctor for a check up, prescription refill or tests for an ailment.

  6. And why not? Mr. Trudeau gets nothing from Alberta, no matter what he puts in to the place. As Dr. Young put it, “Trudeau bought us a pipeline, and we sent him the Freedom Convoy.”

    Slight quibble: Alberta now has 2 Liberal MPs when we had none in Stephen Harper’s rein. The kicker is, though, given the demographics of the ridings that went Liberal in 2021, it is probably unlikely many voters made their choice because Trudeau bought a pipeline.

  7. So, it is not about keeping a business afloat, it’s about maintaining a certain lifestyle. I hear Americans celebrate this kind of greed.

  8. I guess my guess was right. It’s all about the money and patients at $4,800 a pop are the supply. Along with AHS if she can get away with it I imagine.
    At 4:17 for the ad posted on youTube she must have gotten the car for nothing – she’s expensive remember.

  9. I don’t know what the cost of or payments for a Porsche are, but it is quite possible they have gone up from what they were before. So her patients paying the membership, facility/access fee or whatever she would like to call it, are probably helping her out with that too.

    Of course, this is not a totally new thing, there are clinics in Canada that operate outside the medicare system and charge fees to their patients. The difference here seems to be this was a clinic in the system and now it seems to want to be in and out, and to give better access to those who pay the additional fees. Well, there are only so many hours in the day and so many staff so I can guess who will get poorer access – those patients that can’t or don’t pay the additional fees. People who support the US system always brag about no waiting lists, but in the US your wait when you can’t afford medical care is longer, it can even be forever. Of course, the lack of a wait is only for those that can afford to pay.

    I suppose someone like Poilievre has two choices, stick to his similar conservative convictions and support Smith and kiss goodbye his hopes of winning the next Federal election or grumble a bit and go along with what Trudeau does. In any event, neither he or Smith will come out of this looking good, the Alberta NDP can go around and say, I told you so and Trudeau will come across as the saviour of medicare.

    The Federal Liberals are far from perfect, at times to hesitant to tackle the problems we face and other times inept. However, what seems to have saved them in the past, and probably will again in the future, is the conservatives are even worse.

    1. Waiting times in America can be short and care can and is the best money can by – if you have the right insurance and can afford the co-pays. For me, waiting times and the level of service has been no different in either country, and, leaving aside the immense cost savings, the benefit of not worrying about health care and knowing everyone in my community will be looked after far outweighs any benefit I might gain by living in the right place, with the right insurance, in the States.

  10. In the 21st century if an individual wishes to be acknowledged as a successful economic/consumerist/materialist religious disciple then the boasting, bragging, and flaunting that accompanies invidious consumption is the normal development in such societies. The feedback loop that it creates is necessary in order to maintain certain obvious social myths surrounding wealth, materialism, consumerism, success, capitalism generally, ect.

    It is apparently what this culture and its economic religion actively promotes, that is, a social media status signaling that is essential for a 21st century materialistic celebrity culture and all that it is and is not. And where it remains the general case that the population of continually hypnotized consumers is blissfully unaware of, or simply do not care how easily they are being deliberately manipulated, “a high standard of living must be dynamic, a progressive standard”, where envy of those just above oneself in the social order incited consumption and fuelled economic growth. . . . Though it is status that is being sold, it is endless material objects that are being consumed. . . . “Our enormously productive economy demands that we make consumption our way of life, that we convert the buying and use of goods into rituals, that we seek our spiritual satisfaction, our ego satisfaction, in consumption.… We need things consumed, burned up, replaced and discarded at an ever-accelerating rate.”

    https://thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/a-brief-history-of-consumer-culture/

    “I mean, it is fair to ask why some of those clinics were allowed to operate by the NDP when it was in power between 2015 and 2019.”

    There are certain rules for playing in the sandbox (elementary school, union, petro-state, capitalist, political, ect., it does not matter), many of which are unwritten as they are part of a long socialization process and transgression of the power/dominance hierarchy and the social rules that allow it to function usually means conduct violation which means sanction. That trivial observation needs no further elaboration.

  11. Why did the good doctor purchase a purportedly high status auto? Has the doctor not run across children with petroleum induced asthma or adults with damaged lungs and heart disease from smog yet?

    If memory serves, shortly after being appointed Klein’s Finance Minister Stockwell Day also purchased a Porsche 911. He too enjoyed the illusion of freedom from the giddy feeling of acceleration, and got a speeding ticket on the way to Edmonton from Red Deer for his trouble.

    For your vicarious thrill, here is a four-year-old video of a Tesla family sedan burying a Porsche 911.
    https://youtu.be/UmiZ6ayCBB0

    When you hear that steady flatulence from the good doctor’s make of car, think: “there goes public health care and our climate.”

    BTW: The Tesla produces zero grams of carbon per 100km while the Porsche produces 288 grams of carbon per km and uses seven times the energy per km.
    https://fcr-ccc.nrcan-rncan.gc.ca/en

    Worse for Alberta: last year 24% of new car registrations in Germany were for battery-electric cars. Perhaps Premier Smith should get a Rolls Royce Phantom which befits a Queen or a head of state. It burns even more fuel. Then she could yell “Whee! Here comes the Parthenon” as she is chauffeured around for her public duties. But I digress.

  12. So the “good” doctor wants to charge patients a fee for being able to book an appointment with her. How about we send her a fee. Doctors in Canada are educated in publicly funded universities. They have public funded hospitals to operate in. Now the system is not doing great right now, but its way better than in the U.S.A. where if you don’t have money you will never get the treatment you need or your kid gets the surgery they need. In Canada you usually have to wait for a hip replacement but in the U.S.A. you may never get one because you can’t afford it or the co pay.
    The “good” doctor wants $4,800 a year for families, $2200 for single people. Right we’ll get right on that. When many in this country can’t afford rent and food, how are they going to afford the new fee????? Where do those on disability or pensions get this type of money. Many can’t even afford their prescriptions. Food banks all across the country are reporting more clients and those clients are working full time but they can’t pay rent and eat.
    I’m just waiting to see what Ontario does.
    Let see, my math is terrible, but if the “good” doctor has a thousand patient families and she is charging all of them $4,800 a year: that is about $4M and change that she is raking in. Hope the math is correct, if not feel free to change it.

  13. The doctor whose failing clinic has forced her to reluctantly try to force her patients to bribe her for preferential access is a Porsche enthusiast? I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you! …Not that shocked.

    I’m not against doctors being wealthy, I think they should be. I am against doctors gaining their wealth at the expense of their patients. If they want to do that, there is already a country that cherishes their right to do so, and I suggest they take their (admittedly valuable and scarce) expertise there.

    For my part, I would argue we should dismantle the artificial barriers preventing more people from getting into health care. If the IP created in universities was not given for free to the private sector, we could use the proceeds to make post-secondary much cheaper, if not free entirely. Education is a community resource – when someone else gets educated, everyone profits. For instance, I never went to medical school, yet I have directly profited from the education of those who did. Why do we insist on giving welfare billionaires a free ride? smh We could create more spots for everything from ultrasound techs to doctors to nurses, and people could fill those spots without assuming a crushing and inescapable debt. Of course, that would make things better for everyone except the super rich, and if we were willing to do that we’d have a completely different set of problems.

  14. It’d be a sad thing to say what’s bad for Alberta is good for Canada and vice versa—and, I think, especially for the Wild Rose Province where I got many fond memories of living and working in, and travelling through, many times, long ago when the Socreds made a decade of hash of post-1981-Recession recovery in BC and many of us laid-off workers headed over the Rockies where employment could always be found (as I’d discovered during the mid-70s hash they made of BC’s economy following the short NDP government of Dave Barrett). But it’s equally sad that Alberta probably brought this equation upon itself.

    This is why I often cite “redoubterism” because in Alberta’s case not only is it applicable geographically (in its continental remoteness of Locklandia), historically (the high prairie redoubt of plains tribes, Métis, Mormons and other communal Christian anarchists seeking refuge from encroaching pioneers of modernism), and aspired cystic security (it’s kinship with the American Redoubt/Greater Idaho/Red States), Alberta is also where the current petroleum paradigm and the partisan right have partnered and retreated to defend themselves from the undeniable fact of post-modern politics, ecology, and diplomacy—including that of the relationship between the government of Canada and its sovereign federates, but also internationally since the Bitumen Mines of Albetar, the third largest known reserve of petroleum, figures prominently in the growing global concern about climate change.

    That latter concern cannot be as easily dismissed by way of Alberta independence, or secession from Canada, as, say, policing, pensions, the Canada health Act and other encumbrances and entanglements of true federalism can. But until or if such time as Alberta actually secedes, the fight they picked with Canada actually draws the feds—now, for the second time, with a Trudeau in the Prime Minister’s office—toward a place that’s supposed to be defensibly inhospitable to the enemy, a redoubt to sally from after the initial retreat/refuge has allowed recuperation from its reason, after promising success—usually with the prospect of revenge, its recruitment slogan and morel-boosting war paean. In other words, the resort to redoubterism is, contradictorily, looking less defensible all the time.

    Alberta’s UCP government, despite its bravado, has already capitulated by admitting there’s a climate change problem, it’s chest-thumping now about when, not if it should do something about it. Big Bitumen has thoroughly milked the udder of government subsidies (relief from taxes, royalties, and environmental regulations) and is perilously close to utterly stripping those calloused teats (then what?) Conservative tradition refashioned into increasingly extreme pseudoCondom has rendered its branch-plant in Ottawa a figment of its former Reformer predominance ever since former CPC boss Andrew Sheer led his party to defeat and the national distribution of its MPs became balanced between the West’s Newtonian apple and the orange-hued Tory blue of the East. Instead of a real redoubt from which this wrinkled butt of petrifying petro-politics might engage with its nemeses at a time and place of its own choosing, it rather looks like the two partners in boiling crimisote are surrounded by circumstances over which they have less and less control. But remember, it wasn’t a shotgun wedding.

    The world knows this. That’s why Alberta and Canadian neo-right parties in general, their rhetoric about expanding bitumen production and overseas export notwithstanding, sidle up to the USA—not simply because the partisan right there is suffering the same throes and displaying the same, lame bravado as Canada’s, but also because the US and China (the supposed Asian buyer of TMX-delivered diluted bitumen) remain the largest GHG emitters in the world and least likely to move effectively beyond paying lip service to emission reduction (the two largest economies contribute somewhere north of 40% of all emissions worldwide). Remind that citing technologies to reduce bitumen’s dirty processes is still pretty much lip service as yet.

    Among the tea leaves is the fact that Trudeau Fils has decided to attempt a rare fourth term as PM. Things must have shaped up nicely for him to depend on more than hubris alone—although PP will doubtlessly accuse him of that, alone—revealing some more tea leaves of his own in addition to his recent image makeover—that is, that most of his party’s criticisms and platforms have been lamed by circumstances beyond its control and by alliances it freely chose to cement. Galoshes first, it’s turning out.

    JT wouldn’t make the next election the ‘fight of his life’ if it risked being compared to former Liberal leader John Turner (“the fight of my life” was Turner’s slogan in the campaign which gave ProgCon Brian Mulroney his party’s landslide win and terminated the shortest Liberal prime ministership ever)—or others of the lamest Liberal leaders: Martin (who actually was PM), Iggy, and Dion. Nope, JT sees sunny days ahead—and Alberta’s election of UCP’s Danielle Smith and this new(ish) issue about medical practice ‘club fees’ are just two more darts in his quiver.

    Like the BC Socreds who went back to selling real estate and cars after their party’s demise, failed candidates of the neo-right can always find something else to do. Even Big Bitumen can up and depart whence it came whenever the black honey and subsidized milk runs dry. Unfortunately, bodily health is better maintained proactively by easy access to healthcare and, anyway, naturally prefers deferring the time when it must go back to where it came from. My concern is always with the people and the workers so it’s sad to think how many good Albertan’s have found themselves surrounded by the wagon laager the UCP, CPC and Big-B have circled around them. It’s little consolation to chant: Praise God and Pass the Ammunition.

  15. Hello DJC and fellow commenters,
    It would be quite entertaining if there weren’t enough customers sign up to make sufficient profit.
    Marda Loop is a nice community, but I wonder if it has sufficient well-paid executives living there to take up the number of spots necessary to make this profitable.

  16. Cool….when she and her murican counterparts say “keeping business afloat ” , what they really mean is that they are skimming all the cream off before they pay the bills. IMHO, it’s just another blatant example of what has become normalized/accepted extortion.
    D’rump et fils have been the duck-mob * and their affiliates have helped them to make this not only an accepted way of life, but also an end-goal to strive for: morals and greed don’t work together.
    *if it looks like a slug**, acts like a slug ….etc. etc.

    ** I’m sorry but I like ducks, as in Lord luv a’ ….or as my dido would say “bodie teba katchka kopnola” ,lol.
    For the musical interlude, I’ll ask POGO for the apropos Whiskey ocean connection.

      1. POGO: LOL/LOL…not quite what I had in mind, but very amusing to say the least. Since I don’t know how to do the links, Google search: Rye Whiskey—and in keeping with the topic at hand, my interpretation;
        “hiccups , oh lordy how bad do I feel
        Queen of diamonds, queen of diamonds, I’ve known you of old
        You’ve robbed my poor pockets of silver and gold. ”

        DJC, just out of curiosity, since when do “family Dr.s”sell their own skin care products.
        I got the impression that the good * doctor is not what one would think of when saying –family physician -‐
        *open to interpretation.

        1. Randi-lee: Doctors selling stuff? I’m not sure, but I think this is starting to be a thing. A predictable outcome of advanced neoliberalism/late capitalism. DJC

          1. Many doctors in this province will charge you fees for things like doctors notes, for quite a long time now. Pleading poverty to the working class isn’t as smart a look as they think it is.

          2. I know it’s deep in the thread and all, but their is a song for what you wrote, about all the little wannabe’s that contribute to what we need to organize resistance to.. I’m having trouble finding it though! *thinks* *sighs* *thinks some more!* Voila! Oh there it is! My take on the Neo-Liberal, drunken Dreeshen supremacy? Here’s for you and the Dani eight sided addled dice she calls leadership! Triple D? Well, you got a way to go for the K’s, but I’m sure you’ll make it! With a vacant space like you got between your ears, you and Dani are going to have to fill it with something! Try this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CEMQl3wh74

  17. And for those who missed it, Dr.Steve/ the Tyee…..re:PMJT vs Skippy & bad company..
    (Christmas baby…..lol)
    I can hear the teeth gnashing already .

  18. I haven’t forgotten what a lawyer said to me a few years ago. While these Reformers try to bash Trudeau over all his shenanigans , these shenanigans haven’t cost Albertans a dime compared to what these Reformers have done to them starting with Ralph Klein. It’s likely the worse case of fraud the world has ever seen. Politicians helping the rich steal the peoples oil and tax wealth and it’s all legal because the stupid people keep re-electing them and letting them do it. I still haven’t forgotten how Ralph Klein helped the packing plants steal the beef producers cattle by the way he handled the BSE crisis and they couldn’t re-elect him fast enough. He was their hero. Yet even members of his own family knew what a disaster he was.
    Now they have ignored the fact that these same reformers have allowed the oil industry to pollute their land and don’t need to pay to clean it up, ignored paying taxes to their municipalities, tried to destroy their health care system, and pollute their water supply with coal pollution, yet who did they elect? The same people who are trying to destroy them. You can’t be any dumber than that, can you? Apparently too dumb to understand that there is nothing conservative about these Reformers who are out to get them.

  19. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/health-canada-harrison-healthcare-calgary-alberta-ndp-1.6920247

    No turning a blind eye to slippery slopes here. This being Alberta, any clawbacks will probably be taken out of the pot for everybody instead of stopping the fee-for-service model.

    The rich will continue to pay for premium access. More providers will jump in. As time goes on, the rest of us will have longer and longer waits for whatever scraps of medical care remain.

    It’s Alberta under the UCP: leopards eating faces.

  20. Hello DJC and fellow commenters,
    Don Copeman, founder of Copeman Healthcare, turned up at Harrison Health care, which is mentioned in a cbc article. (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/health-canada-harrison-healthcare-calgary-alberta-ndp-1.6920247) Harrison Healthcare claims that it is following the Canada Health Act, according to the cbc article. This article also states, “The Harrison Healthcare clinic had been flagged by the Alberta NDP on Wednesday as part of their call for a probe into the possibility that ‘members-only medicine’ was being practised in several clinics across Alberta.”
    Here is a link to the Harrison Healthcare site which mentions Don Copeman’s role in the Copeman clinics. “Don Copeman is an experienced health care and information technology executive with over 40 years of parallel Don Copeman is an experienced health care and information technology executive with over 40 years of parallel experience in each field. In 2005 he created Copeman Healthcare, the first private family healthcare organization in Canada.” https://harrisonhealthcare.ca/management-team/

  21. Skippy Pollivere’s make-over is interesting, because he seems to have the same problem that Ron DeSantis has, in that he has no idea how to act around real people.

    A politician’s lot is a hard one. They spend all their days and nights, surrounded by handlers, who are trusted in the extreme that they will not cock up the politician’s image. And when that image is sullied, heads are expected to roll.

    Pollivere is walking a fine line: he had to appear crazy enough to appeal to his base, but not so looney as to alienation the sensible people out there. Erin O’Toole managed to win the leadership of the CPC by promising to roll back all the gun laws to the 1830s, and allow the right to carry machine guns and antitank rifles. Well, the latter may not have happened, but you can be sure that the Alberta wing of the CPC thought that way. But being the Red Tory from Ontario he is, O’Toole caught a case of the reasonable and the crazy side of the CPC hated him for it. He was kicked hard to the curb and Pollivere jumped. So, now Diefenbaker is the unsung Father of Confederation and FreeDUMB will be available to all. (Real assault rifles and kiddie porn, I presume?)

    1. Problem for Pierre is that everyone who remembers what happened yesterday is either going to loathe him or be one of those nutcases that are his base. He’s been an MP for 20 years, and he’s been the same person that whole time. An angry, forked-tongued ankle biter.

  22. “There is no current vaccine or medication for COVID-19”. Dr. Sally Talbot-Jones makes this remarkable claim on her website.

    Also, she makes no mention of masks in her advice “What you can do to reduce the risk of contracting or transmitting COVID-19”.

    The B-52s said it best:

    “She came from Planet Claire
    I knew she came from there
    She drove a Plymouth Satellite
    Oh, faster than the speed of light.”

    https://mardaloopmedicalclinic.com/covid-19/

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