In modern politics, televised debates are usually unenlightening, uninteresting and undermine democracy.

If they are even mildly entertaining, with one participant or the other landing a light punch, it is only rarely.
At worst, they are stultifying, with a couple of seasoned pros probing each other’s defences, dodging and weaving, and playing rope-a-dope without ever offering up a useful tidbit of data.
As a general rule, the more participants there are in a televised political debate, the more boring and predictable the proceedings, with all opposition candidates lining up to take shots at the frontrunner, who sensibly dodges and weaves and stays on the ropes.
This means Canadian political debates are likely to be even less enlightening and entertaining than their American counterparts, one of the strengths of our Westminster Parliamentary system not being that it makes good television.
The TV format, of course, naturally favours candidates who are glib gas-lighters and snarling bullies over those with a nuanced understanding of the facts and a desire to propose moderate policies that might actually work without doing too much harm.

Honesty usually means political death, because the single clip in which a candidate admits the reasonable truth – yeah, taxes are going to have to rise a little – will be pilloried repeatedly for such foolishness. No such good deed goes unpunished.
The art, such as it is, of TV debate has been well understood for half a century. Candidates who must undergo this ordeal are coached within an inch of their lives to evade any meaningful answer and, if their opponent slips up and tells the truth, to deliver a scripted riposte suitable for repeated replay.
The result is that, on top of everything else, these affairs tend to be boring, and the frontrunner wins as long as he or she or they manages to make no boo-boos.
Allowing dumb-ass journalist questions doesn’t usually help either!
On those exceedingly rare occasions when somebody lands a decent punch – Mulroney to Turner, 40 years ago, for example: “You had an option, sir!” – there’s no need to suffer through the entire stultifying “debate” because you’ll see the clip over and over on TV and, nowadays, on TikTok and Instagram.
Which is why, I guess, that Tuesday night’s U.S. presidential candidates’ debate was such a refreshing affair.
How long have we waited to see a candidate open a can of whoop-ass on her opponent like Kamala Harris did to Donald Trump?
If that beat-down had been a boxing match, the ref would have declared a TKO halfway through and sent Mr. Trump to his corner before he suffered any more brain damage.
Of course, some thanks is owed to Mr. Trump as well. Had he not been such a stunned palooka, the battle wouldn’t have been half as entertaining.
You don’t have to really approve of the sweet science to enjoy a good boxing match now and again, and you don’t have approve of televised candidates’ debates to have guiltlessly enjoyed the sweetly scientific pummelling the Democrat Ms. Harris laid on the Republican Mr. Trump Tuesday night.
I’m pretty sure even the former president’s supporters – at least the ones close enough to him to actually know the man – secretly enjoyed it too.
Now why couldn’t Rachel Notley have done that to Danielle Smith or, better yet, Jason Kenney?
No reason except good manners, I suspect.
Now, we’ve heard it said that the vice-president schooled the former president in Philadelphia Tuesday.
In truth, she schooled us all. It turns out televised debates don’t have to be boring and pointless.
What do you say we keep that in mind here in Alberta?
UCP will soon invite poop-cooky lady to rejoin caucus
As we asked in the wake of the May 29, 2023, Alberta election, how long would it take Premier Danielle Smith to welcome the poop-cookie lady, Lacombe-Ponoka MLA Jennifer Johnson, back into the bosom of the UCP Caucus?

“Probably longer than it would have taken had the seat count been tighter, but not that long just the same,” I wrote at the time.
Ms. Smith, in the heat of an election where decent people had a vote, kicked Ms. Johnson out of the party when it was too late to get her name off the ballot for comparing transgender school kids to poop in cookie dough. Ms. Johnson won anyway, which does tell you something about the voters of Lacombe-Ponoka.
Now that the premier is potentially facing the wrath of the MAGAfied members who make up the bulk of the activists left in her United Conservative Party, she is singing a different tune about Ms. Johnson, City News reports.
In a recent UCP members only meeting, City’s Sean Amato wrote, Ms. Smith “revealed she plans to reconsider after hearing what Johnson has to say in the fall when new legislation affecting trans youth is introduced.”
“I guess we’ll judge based on what she says in the Legislature when she has the opportunity to,” Ms. Smith said.
Count on it, Ms. Johnson will be welcomed back.
NDP’s Nenshi assigns new critic roles to MLAs

Meanwhile, in inside baseball, Alberta NDP Leader Naheed Nenshi has reshuffled the Opposition party’s critic assignments, including creating a “leader’s senior advisory team” for some well-known MLAs without critic roles.
The NDP now seems to have adopted the annoying Conservative habit of describing critics as “shadow ministers.” The doubled-up critic teams implemented by former leader Rachel Notley after the May 2023 election have now been abandoned.
Rakhi Pancholi remains as Mr. Nenshi’s deputy leader, and Christina Gray as the leader of the Opposition and House leader while the party leader remains outside the House. As for the rest of the assignments:
CRITICS
Nagwan Al-Guneid, Energy and Minerals
Brooks Arcand-Paul, Indigenous Relations
Diana Batten, Children and Family Services
Gurinder Brar, Service Alberta and Red Tape Reduction
Jodi Calahoo Stonehouse, Forestry and Parks
Joe Ceci, Arts and Culture
Amanda Chapman, Education
Lorne Dach, Transportation and Economic Corridors
Jasvir Deol, Infrastructure
David Eggen, Advanced Education
Court Ellingson, Finance
Sarah Elmeligi, Environment and Protected Areas
Janet Eremenko, Mental Health and Addictions
Nicole Goehring, Tourism and Sport, and Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs liaison
Sharif Haji, Affordability and Utilities
Julia Hayter, Status of Women
Sarah Hoffman, Health
Rhiannon Hoyle, Jobs, Economy and Trade
Nathan Ip, Technology and Innovation
Janis Irwin, Housing
Kyle Kasawski, Municipal Affairs
Marie Renaud, Community and Social Services
Irfan Sabir, Justice
David Shepherd, Public Safety and Emergency Services
Lori Sigurdson, Seniors, Continuing Care, and Homecare
Heather Sweet, Agriculture and Irrigation
Lizette Tejada, Immigration and Multiculturalism
Peggy Wright, Labour
HOUSE ROLES
Irfan Sabir, Deputy House Leader
David Shepherd, Deputy House Leader
Kathleen Ganley, Whip
Janis Irwin, Deputy Whip
Amanda Chapman, Assistant Deputy Whip
David Eggen, Caucus Chair
Peggy Wright, Caucus Vice-Chair
LEADER’S SENIOR ADVISORY TEAM
Parmeet Singh Boparai and Rod Loyola, Co-Chairs, Outreach
Samir Kayande, Chair, Analytics
Kathleen Ganley, Chair, Engagement
Luanne Metz, Chair, Future of Health Care
Rachel Notley, Advisor to Leader and Caucus
Marlin Schmidt, Public Accounts Lead and Deputy Chair, Resource Stewardship
Fortunately, we humans forget pain nearly as fast as we (unfortunately?) forget most politicking.
Great Gord-On-The-Plains why’d you remind us about that Notley-Smith debate?!?!
Sorry, PJP, but sometimes readers just have to be told to take their medicine. DJC
Kamala has zero voter appeal. Yeah I know the mainstream media are all pulling for her. It’s KAMALMANIA! 24/7 with them. She got close to zero votes among Democratic voters in the 2020 primaries, dropping out early despite being declared as the front runner. Nobody liked her. And boasting about getting the endorsement of Dick Cheney, the Darth Vader of American politics, tells all you need to know about KH.
She’ll get lots of votes in November but that’ll be people voting against Trump, not for her. In any event, the upcoming November Presidential election will probably be the least important one in our lifetime.
I suppose you’re a Viktor Orban fanboy, too, Ron.
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5107967/viktor-orban-hungary-donald-trump-presidential-debate
Wherever do ex-presidents and ex-PMs get these ideas?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/ex-pm-stephen-harper-seeks-closer-ties-with-hungary-s-viktor-orban-1.6470033
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-white-house-west-wing-1.4731144
Ron, we agree and disagree. Loved your “no one liked her” and your “Darth Vader” comments. Can I use them with my PoliSci 110 class?
But Ron, your 2nd para has big cheesy holes. How will we ever know if folks voted for her or against Trump, unless you rely on accurate polling data. But we all know that polling is just a MSM-WEF-Libtard conspiracy to suppress the right, right? And you saved the best for last: “least important one in our lifetime”. That is a beauty! Is there a scale somewhere, like earthquakes or hurricanes, that ranks the relative importance of elections, and from whose point of view? Gosh, we could discuss that one forever or at least until we’re arrested by the Supreme Thought Police. Then, we can just revert to name calling and stone throwing. Ice Nine, baby, Ice Nine.
Sounds a lot like sour grapes. Polling would suggest she has more appeal than her opponent, thems the breaks I guess. Neither party may present a clear difference in policy, but a win for Harris in November, SURELY spells at a minimum the beginning of the end of the maga people, and I think we can all be grateful for that.
Really when all the true facts point to how well Biden and Harris have done since taking office. My American Relatives who had all been Republicans are now all voting Democrats and will continue to do so. Just like those of us who were Conservatives and now voting NDP to put a stop to what these Reformers have done to us.
If that White House gig doesn’t work out Kamala can try her hand at being the next Seinfeld.
https://youtu.be/Isv0RLcRZuE?si=5FCcSqqi4xfyfQIG
The Trump Stomp-a-Thon is well described by Amanda Marcotte in Salon. “Trump is Gramps wandering the streets with no pants on because he won’t take his medication.”
If Naheed Nenshi gets his act together, we could have almost as lively debate around the next election as they just did south of the border. The lack of outrage in my view stems from the fact that the UCP do not advertise or even consult anyone before making changes that affect thousands of Albertans. Some recent examples include: taking away DynaLife in northern Alberta and giving that to Precision Labs, taking away the Alberta Dental Program and giving it to Blue Cross (where necessary benefits are now denied and dentists wait for hours and hours to get basic coverage approved), and so on. Dingy Smith is not happy unless she is complaining about something the Federal Government is doing, rather than doing proper thigs for Albertans. Every day she looks more and more like Donald Trump, with the stupid ideas and blame game. I look forward to Nenshi ripping into her about all her failures, when he gets a chance. Hopefully he does not squander any good opportunities.
With a little literary license: Paul Simon and David the man. “Still crazy after all these years”, “which does tell you something about the voters of Lacombe-Ponoka.”
RE: the debate, couldn’t agree more! And specifically with Trump, how did it take 9 years to figure this out? Let’s hope that debate inspires a new generation of leaders to speak the truth plainly and clearly against right wing nuttery.
These phony Conservatives and Reformers, as well as the Republicans in the United States are only there for themselves. They don’t care who is harmed from their bad policies.
Anonymous Boy doesn’t Danielle Smith sound just like him? A total air- head whose only solution is to blame her problems on someone else, just like Trump? While Trudeau pours billions into this province to help us survive she states that he is stealing all our money, and these narrow minded seniors continue to believe every lie she feeds them. They still believe the Reform Party lie that we don’t have a revenue problem , we only have a spending problem? Or the Ralph Klein lie that Alberta is broke because we have to send billions of dollars to Ottawa and Quebec in the form of Equalization Payments we still hear that one from these mindless seniors who don’t want to know the truth because they can’t handle it. It’s no secret that Seniors have a horrible reputation for being easy to fool. Con- artists and politicians have been doing it for years. As you and I know there are a lot of these senior idiots out there hurling their sarcastic comments at those of us who aren’t as stupid as them, they don’t want to know the truth, and as lawyer friends have said for years you can’t change them they really are that stupid. Sadly for years they were the only ones voting and they kept these Reformers in power, especially Ralph Klein, and allowed them to put us in financial ruin and they are still doing it. Most still paise Klein.
Alan K. Spiller: You have it right.
When I watched the H-T debate and saw that Trump didn’t want to shake hands with Harris I thought of Smith not wanting to shake hands with Trudeau. Like Trump Smith is small and petulant.
I got stuck replaying, “They’re eating the dogs. They’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets.” I couldn’t stop. No painful Miss Congeniality questions there, unlike the Notley-Smith debate.
How many years until the next provincial election? Seems like three years is enough time to blend MLA Poop Cookies into the UCP batter. They’re all so bad, will anybody notice?
Someone one on a political podcast described aptly what the pet-eating claim really is: a blood libel; in this case, against immigrants in general and Hatians in particular.
We should all be reminded that the Hatians that Trump was talking about are in the U.S. legally.
I had initially decided not to watch that debate to save me from potentially throwing things at the TV in frustration. But I had heard about it shortly after and it was being replayed, so I tentatively watched much of it then. It was actually much better than I expected.
The muted mikes allowed the candidates to speak without too much interruption and put forth their ideas as clearly as possible, well some more than others, without a lot of confusing back and forth. Harris’s experience sure came in handy in prosecuting the case against Trump being President again. She does know the type and helped even him show his true character. It would have been nice to hear more about her plans, but I guess you can’t have everything. Unfortunately, Smith whose communication style is glib and smooth is much harder to pin down than Trump who goes off message more either because of age, temperament or perhaps both.
Not surprising the UCP is bring back the poop cookie lady. It is a sign they are feeling confident or perhaps over confident. While sometimes better hidden that with their predecessor party, conservative arrogance is never too far from the surface and it will probably become more noticeable and worse the longer they are in power. So I suspect by the end of two terms with likely no Trudeau for the UCP to kick around anymore Alberta voters will be very tired of the UCP.
I was not a fan of the doubling up of critics, shadow ministers or whatever they are called, maybe partly because I prefer a clearer structure. And I don’t much care what they are called as long as it make some sense. Hopefully it facilitates clearer communication which I feel was one of the biggest problems for the NDP in the last election.
Well, that’s a relief. I expect we’ll see single-payer healthcare for everybody in the us, asap. I think it’s likely that the US will close pretty well all of their 800 foreign bases in all of the seventy countries in which they exist. After, that I expect that by Wednesday of the first week of the Harris administration, they’ll get after investigating the oddities related to the derivatives activities of Goldman Sach Bank USA, JPMorgan Chase Bank N.A., Citigroup’s Citibank and Bank of America, not to mention their $1.8 trillion in loans to hedge funds. Probably shut down the arms pipeline to Israel on Friday of that week, and get to work on closing Gitmo the following Monday. It’s morning again in America, I dare say.
The days of political decency and decorum have to be abandoned as science, math, facts and logic no longer have an effect on the voting “believers”.
Notley and so far Nenshi seemed to be unable to voice opposition to policies that your average 12 yearold could deflate with a single comment. It is 2024 , getting media “column space” might be hard in UCP Alberta, but there are several web platforms to choose from.
So far the radiant Nenshi NDP is quiet, compliant and complicit in Everything the UCP has done.
Politics has a new venue, it is the new mud wrestling. If you want to win you will have to leave the parlor, get out in the streets find you voices and get in the mud. The non Q crowd is waiting while the Q crowd is crowing.
I don’t think candidates’ TV-debates are pointless, but they sure can be a din of boring-times-stupid. So what IS the point?
One, I suppose, is that there’s an audience, so broadcasters love debates. Inanity can’t possibly get better ratings—at least not since Red Skelton’s demise. On the other hand, some debaters—I’d wager there’s a good many—approach a debate with justified trepidation because if the mashgichim finds a single blemish, then kosher status is refused. It hardly matters what or why, but losing the stamp of approval is sufficient to produce herd-allergy by rote, no further questions asked. Which of course terrifies the would-be champion.
I watched the Harris-Trump debate on mute, my darling (who’s in the Big Smoke attending to granddaughter number-two’s education) phoning to ask, “Are you watching this?” In fact, an old friend, berthed across the street awaiting a tide to sail across the Salish Sea, joined me for a pot of spaghetti, me with a glass of wine and him with a can of “Guinness Zero” (which I accidentally bought but which perfectly suited my old bro who is now sober and born again). Muting the debate was probably a good idea because I noticed he’s acquired an apologetic tone with regard The Donald. Although my rejoinders were somewhat muted in the way of a good host, he did concede that “God runs this world, that’s all I fucking need to know,” at last resort, impressing me with how much he’s cleaned up his logging camp lingo since the good old days when every IWA member voted NDP, no questions asked.
After sending him back to his boat with a small doggy bag of electric bamboo (thanking heaven, his sobriety would’ve been too exhausting otherwise), I tried to juggle watching the debate with my mute ‘off’ with my darling’s of rant-calls and the siren call of sleep—wonderful, peaceful sleep. Problem is that one is eventually forced to watch it, beginning to end, to make sense of the subsequent punditry—of which the next day (getting on to three days, now) is thoroughly nauseating.
There was pre-debate debate about muting whichever candidate didn’t have the floor. Was it an advantage or disadvantage? The concern concerned The Orange One for, as if anyone hasn’t by now recognized, there really isn’t any question that his opponent, VP Kamala Harris, is either a very accomplished politician and former public prosecutor or a “ho”, depending on which side of the Manson-Dahmer tangerine one is on. But the question, better put, was whether the muting would prevent Trump from condemning himself with his habitual Gish-Gallop technique or deprive him of his favourite tactic of fire-hosing critics with channeled Q-Anon. Turns out everyone’s already heard this joke—we just had to wait for the morrow for the “I-won-the-debate” punchline. I got a brief giggle—that’s about it…
But I was otherwise left nonplussed—just like I coulda told anyone that stiff-as-frozen-fish-sticks John Turner didn’t stand a debater’s chance in hell against the bombastic “Blarney Bulroney”. If Turner truly did have an option he likely would have given the TV debate a pass. He couldn’t fake a sincere smile if he tried (to be fair, he did show his capacity for genuine mirth when he slapped Iona Campangnolo future-Queen’s-representative’s fanny). He’d have done much better in that infamous debate to admit that instead of clearing his throat, clenching both sets of cheeks and mumbling that “this is the fight of my life.” In fact Turner enjoyed a long life after clearing his desk and leaving The Hill, notes-to-self clenched under both arms. In contrast, Trump really was fighting as if life depended on it—‘life’ in the sentence sense, that is.
We’ve yet to have our sideburns singed with a televised leaders’ debate here in BC where there’s a general election in only five weeks. The last one was between incumbent NDP Premier John Horgan and the new BC Liberal leader Andrew Wilkinson, a cringeworthy, nonstop pissing-match of such critical depletion from shouting over each other that both candidates looked like baked prunes by the end of it. Virtually nothing was intelligible, let alone intelligent, but the outcome was a forgone conclusion. First, Horgan’s first term (the NDP’s first in 16 years) provided an easy and relieving contrast to the corrupt BC Liberals and the trend couldn’t work for Dr Wilkinson with his sternly anguished expression throughout which was easily outshone by Horgan’s huge grin the whole way. Pundits immediately wondered what the point of all that yelling was. Retrospect seldom anchors to the most-recent TV debate but if I struggle just a teeny bit I’d have to say the point was to somehow show—not explain (none was discernible through the shouting anyway)—that the NDP was worth re-electing. As it turned out, Horgan turned a minority (supported by three Green seats) into a large majority, not to mention that it was the first time in BC history that an NDP leader won two mandates in a row. Contrast that with the 2013 election debate where premier Christy Clark mopped the floor with then-NDP leader Adrian Dix whose self-imposed “positive politics” campaign strategy precluded him from responding to any or all of her ad hominem provocations—the reverse of the Harris-Trump debate even though the mics unmuted (the NDP blew a 20-point lead going into the campaign and Dix, joining a growing trend among defeated leaders it seems, resigned during his concession speech).
Dang!—things bein’ what they is, so different now than even seven years ago (which my old buddy reminds is straight outta the Good Book), perhaps TV debates are the only politically consistent metric available: the elements are pretty much scripted, boxing tropes still applicable (like, a missed swing, jab or uppercut depletes more energy than a landed punch), hyperbole blasting into orbit or aimed at other hyperbolic space-junk already there; heck, even tasty Haitian feline canapé recipes from Springfield are still hitting the same old Homer.
Perhaps it all comes down to the evolution of muting, the indispensable adjunct to modern-day multitasking. Yet I do note the effect of grinning (excuse my french) like a shit-eating hound. What, after all, did Bulroney, Christy, Horgan, and now Harris —who I must say has a very beautiful smile which she deftly deployed, albeit mutedly—all have in common? Trump, on the other end, had the grimace of one who’d just drank a flagon of Richard Nixon-sweat preserved ever since his 1960 TV debate with future President JFK. Mind you, I was on double-mute for the first round, so maybe my ‘smile-and-the-whole-audience-smiles-with-you jingle’ is a bit off.
By shear coincidence, another old friend from the same logging camp some 40-odd years ago is visiting me today from Quebec (so many of us have passed on that my old buddy quipped that our dear departed foreman was trying to get the crew back together—hopefully, I assumed, in a cooler place). Both she and her husband are politically engaged—like I discovered most Québécois are when I lived there a few times over the decades. I look forward to their takes on all of this political tumult and more—from ‘the mute’ to ‘La Meute.’ It’s my first opportunity to get first-hand info about the NDP’s astounding 54 seat-win in Quebec under Jack Layton. Perhaps I’ll glean why it was that his demise left the party in an existential snit rather than ready to follow the steps of his remarkable success.
It sure wasn’t politeness. Was it mutable? It’s still debatable. Even in Alberta.
For the most part, debates are completely useless exercises. The most that one can expect is that a politician can be made to look bad in a setting where everyone is watching. But is anyone really paying attention anyway? This week’s presidential debate maybe the last one of that election cycle, because Trump doesn’t want to look like an idiot again. I mean Harris scared the bad orange man silly. Harris found Trump to be really thin skinned and had fun poking at him. Yes, it was a fun debate to watch, though really short on substance.
This brings to mind the leader’s debate for Alberta’s last election cycle. It should have been a beat-up Queen Danielle hour, and Rachel Notley could and should have destroyed her a thousand ways. But Notley pulled her punches, gave Smith too much breathing room, and let her run away with the evening. The writing was on the wall for Notley’s political career in the aftermath of that weak kneed effort to knee cap Danielle Smith. Now, if Notley would have and should played Harris’ game, Smith would have been beaten black and blue, and left a babbling idiot. Smith is thinned skinned. She’s also a liar, a cheat, a twit, a coward … sounds like someone we know?
Usually I don’t watch the debates. Its boring or too many people talking at the same time, but decided to watch this one. It was “what could possibly go wrong” which will provide me with a few laughs. It was worth the watch. Fun, laughed a lot.
This time of year there isn’t much on t.v. but we had the Paris Os, the Democratic Convention and the debate. It was fun. Now of course the debate wasn’t meant to be a comedy hour, but it is what it is.
People alledgedly eating cats and dogs, omg. Didn’t really think he would go there, but he did. Perhaps it is best the family and party engage a competent doctor to assess the man to determine what is going on with his health. He could just be bat shit crazy or auditioning for a new comedy show, who knows, who cares, unless of course he is elected to office. Then all bets are off.
Debates are unlikely to win elections, but they have been known to lose them. One example close to home has to have been the 2015 Alberta Leaders’ debate, when the late PC Leader and incumbent Premier Jim Prentice attacked Rachel Notley with “math is hard”, thereby offending women everywhere.
However, DJC, I want to challenge your assertion that the term “shadow minister” is a conservative conceit. “Shadow Cabinet” has been used for the panel of ministerial critics from the Official Opposition caucus forever. It is common terminology in the “Mother of Parliaments” in Westminster – https://members.parliament.uk/opposition/cabinet – and has also been used here in Canada at both the federal and provincial levels.